Tue Sep 02 2003 - Persistant doubting of religion (Christianity more specificly)
Persistant doubting of religion (Christianity more specificly)
Dear Diary,


Well, here I am again writing after not doing so in the last few days. As always, my life *like many other others* goes like an endless rollercoaster with no rest stops. Many things to cover. As the title indicates, I've had more and more doubts about if there is a God.
First thing I want to write about are my doubts. They been bugging me SO much. It bothers me. My whole life and viewpoint have been christian. My values, beliefs, alot of my personality. I could go on, but I don't want to be here all night. Point is christianity in paticular has had a HUGE impact on my life. The doubts have always been there for me. I'm a critical thinker. I like logic. For the most part, those doubts had been whispers that occured maybe once a year or so throughout my life. Usually, when they were more than whispers, I'd be reassured by another christian that those doubts were illocial and eventually I'd get on with my life. Recently however, that has changed.

As I have advanced through college, my perceptions have been called to question, especially in my anthropology classes. *first Physcial anthro, and now Magic, withcraft, and religon* The latter class there is evaluation of why people do that, not teaching me how to do that crap. Anyways, the reason i think that is because alot of the stuff i believe in has no backing. For example, while I believe in a soul, how could that be proved? No electrical device can detect it. If it can be found inside the body, what happens if you lose a leg? Amputated spirit? If surgeons can go all the way inside the body and there is no soul lingering around, then where is it? Invisible and ofcourse, undetectable. When you take a mind altering drug for many years, does it effect the soul. The answer if yes would imply the chemicals effect the soul.

One other thing, creation story. There just is no evidence Earth or anything was made in only 6 days. What about Dinosaurs? Where do they fit in. They couldn't have died during the 6 days, there was no death yet. If incest was against God, how could Adam, Eve, Cain, and Abel have kids? God told adam and eve to be fruitful and multiply; but how could they until they ate from the tree of good and evil? After Moses, how was his family *the only family after the flood* suppose to grow without incest.

I could go on and on and on, but I don't want to write a mini-book from this entry. Just some questions answered. I looked through websites provided by kaliko and shadowrose. They seem to attempt to answer but never have evidence. Also, some questions the places don't answer. The last thing that maybe bothers me is the fact that christianity, among others, does not try to look at science objectively when it comes to studying themselves, but are quick to use that same science *and history* to disprove any other religon. I just want the truth, or maybe enough answers to shut my so-called logic up. It bothers me to think that there is no meaning to life. There has to be. Right? We can't just be some biological randomness here to exsist for a few short years and die into nothiness for eternity. Very disturbing thought for me. That is all. ~END~

Comments (10)

Niels (Unauthenticated) (Legacy)
the problem with atheists is that they tend to use science to back up their beliefs as well. atheism is a religion too. to believe there is no God is believing in something too. After all you cannot prove there is no God either.

A soul is spiritual, it's inside you, but when you amputate your leg, why would it amputate your soul? your soul is not material, how can any human amputate it? you could kill someone and the soul would leave the body. soul is who you are, not just your character or consciousness. a lot of that has to do with your brain as well. biological in other words. But the soul is what makes us alive. Else we would only be biological creatures made of flesh and blood only. No life after death etc.

Anyway, the adam and eve story... Yah, DUH!! I don't believe in just one adam and eve.. We'd all related. And it's against the bible to have sex with family!!. Its much more a story about mankind than adam and eve. Like Jesus always used comparisons to make things easier to understand. I think it is the same for adam and eve.

Noone is going to prove there is a God or there is no God. That's up to you if you believe in a God or not. If you don't it doesn't mean there is no God.
Just look at all the miracles Jesus did though. I mean, was he a liar a magician? David copperfield? Or are all the stories about him made up? If it was all a big lie why did his followers die in his name than? THe latest translations of the new testament are only of a hundred years after Jesus died. And there are thousands of old texts, like the dead sea scrolls, only confirming that Jesus lived, died, lived again.

anyway, the bible has a lot of stuff unbacked by science.
Why can a human not measure the soul? The soul is not a material. Not even electricity. It's invisible to the naked eye. It's not part of this material world. Not part of science.

anyway, long boring story. but Jesus walked on water! Raised people from death. even died himself and got back to ascend into heaven in front of many people.
how is science going to explain anything of this?
all it can do is try and find ways to prove it never happened.

so far the directions point the other way.
ShadowRose (Legacy)
Tinoz, do you know what your doubts are? They are attacks of Satan. He doesn't want you to believe. If you have been saved, then he can never get to your soul, BUT if he makes you doubt and turn against your faith then he can rob you of joy, he can rob you of being effective for God on this earth, and he can rob you of rewards when you enter God's kingdom. He doesn't ultimately win, but he does manage to get some devestating hits in.

Please visit this website:
http://www.projectcreation.org/Spotlights/Jan03.htm

Also, I came across a book written by the man whose article is quoted in the article on the URL above. He was a scientist, and he is able to disprove evolution through science alone, not using the Bible. If you will email me your address privately, I will get a copy of that book out to you so you can read it for yourself.
ShadowRose (Legacy)
>One other thing, creation story. There just is no evidence Earth or anything was made in only 6 days. What about Dinosaurs? Where do they fit in. They couldn't have died during the 6 days, there was no death yet.<

Yes, you are right, they did not die in those 6 days. People and dinosaurs lived side by side. Do you know what dinosaurs are? They are reptiles. Did you know that as long as a reptile lives, it continues to grow? Look at the life spans recorded in the beginning of Genesis. People were living up to 900 years. If a reptile lived to about 200-300 years, how big would it be? That's where you got T-Rex and all those other large dinosaurs. They simply grew to be that big. After the flood we notice the lifespans of people shortening considerably. It is reasonable to assume that the environment and atmosphere also changed. The reptiles did not live as long anymore, so therefore they did not get as big as they once did. It is also simple to deduce that some of the reptiles that grew up into T-Rex, etc. eventually became extinct which is why we don't have "miniature" versions of them now (if in fact we don't, I don't know if we do or don't.)

In all honesty, I believe that "Nessie" is real and that is a "prehistoric" reptile that has continued to grow as it lived and is just very good at avoiding people -- which is probably why it is still alive ;)


>If incest was against God, how could Adam, Eve, Cain, and Abel have kids? God told adam and eve to be fruitful and multiply; but how could they until they ate from the tree of good and evil?<

First off, I don't see the connection between them having to eat from the tree to be able to have kids. Could you explain that reasoning to me?

Where in the creation account did God tell Adam and Eve not to have incest? First of all Adam and Eve were created, so they weren't "related" genetically. Their sex could not be considered incest. At the time they were created, the world was perfect so there would not be any genetic diseases, etc. that usually come from incestuous copulations that produce offspring. Abraham married his half-sister. Isaac married his first cousin. Incest was not forbidden until Moses gave out God's laws at Sinai, after Israel was freed from Egypt. So until that time, incest was not forbidden.

>After Moses, how was his family *the only family after the flood* suppose to grow without incest.<

I think you mean "Noah." Noah built the ark and his family survived the flood. As I stated above, when this happened, the laws had not been given yet that forbid incest. Even then, the laws were only given to Israel.

Tino, evidently you have gotten some of these wrong Biblically ideas (such as incest being forbidden from creation) by simply accepting what others tell you about the Bible. In 2 Timothy 2:15 we are told to "Study to show YOURSELF approved." (emphasis mine.) You are to be looking into the Bible yourself, not just taking the word of someone. You could have answered your own question about Adam and Eve and incest if you had read through the first three chapters of Genesis. God doesn't say anything about incest then.

If you have more questions, I'd love to help you. Let me know when you'll be online and I'll try to have my IM up and I'd be willing to talk to you.
ShadowRose (Legacy)
Dinosaur links:

http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dinosaurs.asp

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2/4277news4-14-2000.asp

http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/feedback/negative_23september2002.asp

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/4232cen_s1997.asp

niels (Unauthenticated) (Legacy)
dinosaurs are reptiles that grew very large?

er.... lol
niels (Unauthenticated) (Legacy)
dinosaurs are reptiles that grew very large?

er.... lol
niels (Unauthenticated) (Legacy)
so were all incest people?

the laws were only given to the people of israel. The laws were always there, even though not given to the people....

the law is the law. It is righteousness. good. having sex with family is wicked!
kaliko88 (Legacy)
Hmm, tough spots, all of them. But I'll leave my opinion for you and you can chew on some more thoughts. Of course, my opinion is biased, but remember, (seeing that there are already 7 other comments) the choice must ultimately be yours.

You're right, most of the stuff I've looked at I've had no actual scientific or historical proof. That's because I'm not done. I have tons of researching and studying to do. It literally is a lifetime project. So, pointed question for you - have you been studying? Don't make the same mistake I did. When I was far from Christianity, it was because of information from OTHER sources and people. I never read the bible or anything from Christians. All learning must be balanced. You have to look at what all sides say.

As for scientific evidence, actually there is quite a bit of stuff out there that has proved a lot of stuff in the bible - historically and archeaologically. And I do know, also, that not once, ever, has anyone disproved anything in the bible. Someone once made the comment in a book that when they want to have a debate at their university over religion, they go to the philosophy department for atheists and agnostics - most of the professors in the physics department were Christians.

I don't have all the answers, though I'm looking, and I am absolutely convinced that soon everyone will know the answers. Something big is coming, and quickly. But, there is one thing that always brings me around, that I firmly believe in.

Jesus is who he said he was. He proved it with his miracles, his death, and his ressurrection. Hundreds of people saw him after his death. No one has ever produced a body to prove they were lying, no one has ever contradicted the fact that he actually did die. And you know that the Roman Empire and the Pharisees would have been only too glad to discount all of those witnesses. And all of his apostles died for that truth. I don't know of anyone who has ever died for a lie. Do you?

I will tell you to think carefully. I will tell you to be patient. I will tell you to look for answers, don't just wonder and doubt in stillness. But my telling you isn't enough. What do you want, Tino? If you want the truth, decide, and then go find it.

>^..^<
niels (Unauthenticated) (Legacy)
yeah, i hope all this helped you on your search for the truth.

Think about it if you want.

It's up to you what you do with it really. Some people rather say all religion is bull because they cannot understand. That is an option too, but wouldn't that be fooling yourself?

science has yet to prove Jesus wasn't the mesiah. In fact many scientist tried and even found Jesus trying.
That Jesus had supernatural powers is something hard to denie.
this site is very handy if you wanto know more about who Jesus was.
http://www.whoisjesus-really.com/english/default.htm

Happykatz (Unauthenticated) (Legacy)
Hi, I'm probably really late putting this in, but my computer has been down for a while.

Dinosours died when the flood happened... Inscest wasn't against God then, because the world was perfect. We could marry our brother/sister and no mutation of geans would happen to create the problems we have now.
 
 
 
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