Thu Aug 30 2001 - Good religous story/a rich person's perspective???
Good religous story/a rich person's perspective???
Dear Diary,

Time for some of the cool things usnavy4u said. *then some analysing that and what Jayne said. *yes, again* Ok, here is goes.. Communist soldiers discovered an illegal bible study going on in the town. The communist found the house, barged in and began threats to the pastor ans his family for studying the Bible. the communist pointed a gun at the pastors head and shouted to him to hand over his bible. the pastor did so. the guard threw the bible on the floor. the guard looked at him and said, "We will let you go if you spit on this book of lies. anyone who refuses will be shot." The Believers felt they had no choice but to obey. the soldier pointed the gun to one of the men and told him he was first. the man knelt down to the Bible and prayed "Father please forgive me". the soldier went to the woman and siad it was her turn. she was afraid but still spat on the Bible a little but was enought to allow her freedom. "Queitly, the young girl came forward. Overcome with love for her Lord, she knelt down and picked up the Bible. She wiped all the spit off with her dress. "What they have done to Your word, please forgive them" she prayed. The communist soldier then shot her taking her life. most of us facing persecution today could escape if they deny their faith. The question os not whether we are persected, but whether we are willing to lay down our life for our faith in Jesus Christ. *after the story, I was like wow* One of the last things she said was, just remeber, whatever we do, it is bc Christ;s love contrils us.....Those who recieve his new life will no longer live to please themselves. Instead, they will live to please Christ, who died and was raised for them. *that kind of thing made me think* *makes me want to change for some reason*

Now after that, I made my entry then sat up and kinda absorbed it all. Thing that got me thinkin' first though is what Jayne said. SHe said, and I quote from the log, "it is your choice to let your situation run you or you get some attitude and make your situation change. its up to you. i have been in a sucky situation and i got an attitude with life and worked my ass off and made it work until i got what i needed to". then said, "playingjayne: but when ppl begin to say I can't
taz want food1: You think every situation is the same
playingjayne: it pisses me off.
This little exchange we had made me realize something. SOmething about life and why people don't do things to help people. And why people haven't helped me. *I'm talking about the people at my church* Its the concept that "I made it through hard times, you can too, if you want" That's what they think. Hmmm. Later Jayne did say every situation is different and stuff. Still though, that lil part of our chat still has me thinking. Made me understand why people *especially well off people* don't help out the lesser half. They in a sense believe that the other half isn't trying as hard. *oh, if you think I'm taking anything out of context, I got the log, I will email it to ya and let it stand on its own merit if you want* Anyways, as for what navy4u said. She kinda sums up what all of you have said. I looked back at some comments. I have to give you people your credit. Ya'll just didn't break it down in summary form. Anyways, I want to thank both jayne and usnavy4u for caring. ANd anyone else for that matter.

Comments (7)

jayne (Legacy)
i disagree with you about the rich not helping the poor -- and i feel you may have misunderstood what i was saying a little bit -- anyway...

hubby and i help people out all the time - Hubby gave a family $5000.00 once because they had 9 children and were going to lose thier home.... AND NO he didn't LOAN them the money....

Another family hubby gave $3000.00 to because they were behind on their rent and car payment.

weve bought cars for people - we even spent $1000 to fix someone's van who needed it... so please don't put me in the category of being ''rich'' and not helping someone because I think if they tried harder they would make it --- and by the way - Hubby and I didn't have $1000 to help -- we paid on that loan for almost a year.

Anyway - that is all I wanted to say. Hope things get better for you taz :)

*jayne*

Oh, and ~ lol let me know next time if our conversations are going to be public record - I said those things to you because of the friendship we have and I feel comfortable being frank with you --- other people I don't feel as comfortable with I prolly wouldn't have had that discussion with.

anyway - you saved it and its your choice what you do with it by emailing it all over the place - but i just want to say for the record, i am hardest on those I actually care about and tell it as I see it - no dishonesty or fake pity.
jayne (Legacy)
oh, and p.s.

we aren't rich - we live in a lower middle class neighbor hood... i drive a 1989 toyota camery -- a car that is 12 years old.

we pay our bills on time and try to save some $ for retirement... we travel a lot because hubby works for Delta and thats part of our benefits...

taz - you focus too much on money. i am sorry but *shrug* its true. look at your entries... I am not trying to be mean - but you do...

we always think the rich are so obsessed with money, but let me tell you - money can run your life even if you have none -- where is your mind? dwelling on money or on the provisions God has given to you and being thankful for what you do have?

I know God has blessed our family because hubby and I give freely, sharing what we have knowing He will provide for us... and you know what? HE HAS! God has always ALWAYS provided for us - and ME and PUmpkinHead when on our own...

NOt always in a way I would have wished for, as I have had grosssss places to live... but I did have a home.

(cept for that one time we lived out of our car when I was wif X hubby)

anyway ~

Taz, I care about you - and I sincerely hope you begin to find the joy that you are promised from the God we serve - because He is faithful!
jayne (Legacy)
taz,

#1. no i am not mad

#2. i am not ashamed of the conversation we had - i am not trying to hide anything as you insinuated. i just thought i was having a conversation with you and not the entire internet community...

#3. i was not beating around the bush in my entry - the conversation i had with you certainly put it in the forefront of my mind - but i deal with this EXACT issue with someone very close to me in my own family - and with some friendships i have outside of cyberworld... so, that entry was NOT directed toward you specifically...

anyway taz... i feel anger coming from your side of things and feel terrible you are taking me as being angry and harsh because i really am not feeling that way at all towards you.

if you would like to say something outright to me please say it. you can tell me what you are really thinking - as i would rather know what is really going on with you rather than try and figure out what you really mean. (and i may be misunderstanding you --- i want to understand where you are coming from)

concerned,
*jayne*
Jamisinc (Legacy)
One thing needs to be considered when you are talking about "rich and poor". Of course there are a few obcenely rich people that have more than they could possibly spend but that is by far the exception. But what I wanted to point out is that rich and poor has alot to do with perception, and is relative. To alot if not all of the world everyone in the US is rich. Even the poorest person has more than average in 3rd world countries. So that needs to be taken into consideration.

And I also wanted to add that although we are not rich by any stretch of the imagination (wish we were,,,lol) I do know some people that are considered rich. And they are giving to people all the time and are very generous. I think the stereo type of uncaring rich people is something you see on TV but isn't too realistic.

Just thought I'd throw my two cents in.
Jami
luisa (Legacy)
hey

just saw you in the top ten and thought i'd check you out, so to speak anyway.

i agree with jami rich and poor is often not as black and white as it seems.

anyhows, i'll go back to minding my own business

Louise
Demented (Legacy)
Hey Tinoz,

I haven't seen your journal before, it's very good though! Nicely written, etc. All in all very good, the only thing I'd like to comment on is that I think it's a little strange for you to keep logs of chat conversations you have... and to then post them online without the other persons permission, that's a little worse still.

This is just my opinion of course, and I don't think it's wrong because people may worry about what other's may or may not think about their part in the chat, it's more that it's a huge violation of privacy. (At least in my book!) Anyway, don't want to criticise or anything, except for that, I just love your journal. Have a great day.

Best Regards,

Demented.
Ally (Unauthenticated) (Legacy)
i have a problem....it won't let me sign into my diary!!!!! i'm gonna cry!!!
 
 
 
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